The Echoes of Despair: Unveiling the Harsh Realm of School Bullying and the Quest for Safe Learning!

Every parent's nightmare unfolded for Crystal when her daughter, Madison, became the target of relentless schoolyard cruelty. The heart-wrenching tale we unravel in this episode is not just Madison's, but that of a family upended by the scourge of bullying. You'll hear firsthand from Crystal, as she details the emotional turmoil and educational upheaval thrust upon her child, and the consequent battle for Madison's right to learn in a safe environment. As we dissect the shocking inaction of a school system that previously overlooked the bully's fake bomb threat, we expose a flawed system in dire need of reform.

The conversation takes a turn through the perilous landscape of school safety and the stark reality of educational neglect. Crystal's struggle underscores a broader, disconcerting trend as we explore the bureaucratic barriers barring Maddie from alternative education options. Her aspirations in forensic science hang in the balance, a somber reminder of how one student's malevolence can ripple out, affecting academic pursuits and a sense of security within the school community. This chat is not just a call to awareness but a plea for change in how educational institutions respond to threats and protect their students.

Navigating parenting in the digital era proves complex, with challenges magnified under the shadow of trauma. As we engage with this topic, we don't shy away from the tough questions about the influences shaping our youth and the vital role of guidance in their development. The digital realm's impact is pervasive, but this episode isn't just about laying blame—it's about understanding, preventing, and healing. For victims like Madison and their families, we emphasize the essential need for mental health support and a nurturing community, reminding us all of the collective duty we have in nurturing our children to become responsible, compassionate individuals.

Transcript

Speaker 1: 0:00

Hello there, brave souls, welcome to Trauma is Expensive, with your host, micah Bravery. Here we don't just talk about trauma, we count the cost and we make the change. With every episode, we dive deep into the heart of trauma, its implications and the resilient transformations it can ignite, through conversations, insights, real stories and unflinching honesty. This podcast is here to empower every survivor to turn their pain into progress. So let's take a journey together as we understand, confront and finally heal. Welcome to wwwtraumaisexpensivecom, your platform for change. Now let's get started.

Speaker 2: 0:51

Trauma is up. Beautiful people, happy Monday or not so happy Monday, depending on your day. I am Micah Bravery and this is Trauma is Expensive, where we count the cost and make the change. I'm here with producer Crystal. Hello, this is going to be a tough conversation because so, basically, we're going to tell a little bit about Crystal's story. So Crystal has 18 kids, as you know, if you listen to these fucking feelings podcasts, right, she has a whole bunch of kids. No, I'm just joking. She has four and a grandbaby, but her middle child, I guess Maddie. Would Maddie be considered your middle child?

Speaker 3: 1:30

Yeah, right, yeah, I think so.

Speaker 2: 1:32

So I don't know but if you ever watched these fucking feelings podcasts and you have and you should but for season 2.5, our first episode, our season premiere was an episode with Maddie and we called it the Bullying episode. She went through a lot of bullying and comes to find out she's still going through bullying. Well, a few weeks ago someone decided to tell her that he was going to put an apple-sized hole through her chest, basically telling her that he was going to shoot her right. So now it's come to the point where Crystal has pulled her daughter from school and is working on now trying to get her an education or be able to finish her education, because she has what? Two years left.

Speaker 3: 2:13

Yeah, she's in 10th grade, yeah.

Speaker 2: 2:16

Two years left in high school, so the reason why we thought this was a very important episode worse for two reasons. We talked about trauma is expensive. Number one the trauma of what this young man is costing Crystal and her family by having to take her daughter out of school. Look for another school. It's overwhelming. And then. The crazy part about it, though, is that she went to. I will let you take your story. Go on, girl, Take it over.

Speaker 3: 2:46

So, as you know, madison was on these fucking failings for the bullying episode and last year there was a boy that took pictures of Madison, sent them around school and we had luck the principal and psychiatrist I think the school psychiatrist.

Speaker 2: 3:10

Oh yeah, therapist.

Speaker 3: 3:12

Yeah, therapist, know about this. And nothing was done. So it was not like we brushed it off, but it was. The boy was talking to there's nothing we could do. And Madison also had said that the boy had touched her thigh and still nothing was done.

Speaker 3: 3:36

Well, the boy consistently makes fake profiles and then messages Madison and her boyfriend different random things. Well, this year she was doing fine and then all of a sudden, out of nowhere, the boy had made a fake post, end up saying who he was. Then she had went to school and the boy had said he was going to put an apple size bullet in her chest, basically, if she kept on talking like talking, because she was trying to figure out like why do you keep doing this, right? So of course, me as her mom. I went to the school the next time and I had called the sheriff's in state troopers because I live in a boondock so they have no real police officers, so they had met me there. Also there is an officer at the school. The same kid had last year had made a fake bomb.

Speaker 2: 4:44

So he made a fake bomb and like didn't even get suspended. Well, they suspended them for a week, right?

Speaker 3: 4:51

I'm thinking he suspended. They couldn't really tell me, but they just said he already like basically got in trouble for that. So he can't get real in trouble for that.

Speaker 2: 5:00

And I don't know how he was an expelled making a fake bomb. So, but now I kind of want to go into, before we finish the story, to talk about this young man, right, because there is something seriously wrong with him. Right, he's making fake bombs, he's threatening to basically kill somebody.

Speaker 3: 5:20

Exactly To shoot him, yep.

Speaker 2: 5:22

He's touching her unwantedly. That's assault. Yeah, you know, and this is just to your daughter. Imagine how many other people he's doing it to.

Speaker 3: 5:31

I did, had bring that up. I said there, there's no way that this can only be Madison going through this Right. And the principal had said you're, basically, you're right. I don't know if he was saying you're right that she's not the only one going through it with a boy, or she's not the only one that's going through this, basically in life.

Speaker 2: 5:52

Right, it's like now. But see, now this thing got talked about the boy and his family. Right, like, do you not know parents? Do you not know what your kids are doing? Do you not care that your son is making fake bombs, like I don't know? I feel like last year, when that fake bomb was made and he got in trouble for that. That would have been all I needed to now do something. Right, you know, like, okay, he even needs to like and I'm not talking about like, severe punishment. Okay, cause they asked on a desktop, even though he might need that. But we don't promote that here, you know, but no, seriously. But you know therapy, or figure out what's going on with him. Why is it that you're around here threatening to kill people? Like, there's a lot of things that I feel like need to be figured out and they're not. You know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3: 6:43

Stick deeper like there's a reason he's doing this.

Speaker 2: 6:46

And then she gets the cops involved, like she says, or the law enforcement, whatever one is in her area, cause, like she said, she lives in the boondogs and they basically say there's nothing that they can do because he's 15 years old, right so now, if he would have bought a gun to school and shoot her, what would have been the response then?

Speaker 3: 7:03

Exactly, and that was my question to him. And they basically told me that they don't want to put like, think it that way, cause they're there to try to help the kids, not basically say that. Now I went talk to the principal, I even talked to the vice principal. I went oh, superintendent, sorry, and he basically said the same thing Well, what can we do to get Maddie back into the school? And I said you guys aren't making her feel safe, nothing's happening. Now, mind you, I pulled Maddie out the next day. That boy was still in school. So now my daughter's not getting an education, but that boy is allowed to get his education. It basically gave him what you're doing is okay.

Speaker 2: 7:51

That's how I do it Like the smack on the wrist, like there's nothing wrong. And number one this is probably the one of the reasons I can't be a parent, because I would have been locked up already. But number two, though as a parent, I just don't understand how you don't. You know it's kind of it's sad, but not all people are meant to be parents. We know that. You know. Like not all people are good at being parents, like you know it's it's. It's just sad to say so, you know. It's like I don't know his home situation and his guardianships and that kind of thing, but it's still troublesome to know that even before this situation, your son made a fake bomb and put it in school. Like that is troubling, you know. And then I mean you think about like all the school shootings and all the people getting killed and hurt and shot and blown up right now. How can you not take this serious? And then to come out and for, basically, the school system basically told Crystal that, oh, he has a crush on her.

Speaker 2: 8:55

Well, I don't want that kind of love.

Speaker 3: 8:58

That's what they asked. If he was basically like kind of obsessed with her when we were in the office and Madison went straight to crying and to bring it back to her last year when he had took the picture, basically that was oh well. One of the teachers said something she shouldn't have been wearing the shorts that she was wearing. How about? Let's talk about not the clothes that she was wearing, which, mind you, they were pajama shorts. They weren't anything provocative, they were just regular shorts.

Speaker 2: 9:31

And then, and I guess to say that that let's stop blaming the female, let's stop blaming women, how about let's not take that picture and send it? Around Right, right, right, like let's stop, even if she was wearing some provocative which she wasn't, because she's only 16. Yeah, she's 16 now. At the time she was 15. But of course she's not wearing nothing too provocative. She's in school. However, you know, it's like let's not blame the.

Speaker 2: 9:59

I hate to call her a victim, but basically it's what it is. She is like being victimized, and it's really really horrible, because not only is she bullied by this person, she's also being bullied by the school system.

Speaker 3: 10:08

Yeah, the school system I feel is the worst school system. I mean it's crazy on how much they don't care.

Speaker 2: 10:20

Call them out, girl, what school system is?

Speaker 3: 10:21

it. It's Housik Valley in Skatacow.

Speaker 2: 10:25

Yeah, Housik Valley. Because they need to get it together. Because if I had a child there and my child came home and said that somebody threatened to put a bullet through their chest and apple size hole through their chest, oh something's gonna happen, I'm not pulling my child from school Now. I'm not saying that. I can say this easily without being a parent. You know what I'm saying. So I'm just telling you. I feel like I would have been. You were a lot calmer than I would have been, Right, you know, I just don't like those lines of disrespect anyway, but the fact that they're allowing this to happen, you know when the principal had talked to somebody a witness that was there.

Speaker 3: 11:04

The girl has said that, well, I didn't hear her say Maddie. I heard her say another person, which is Madison's boyfriend, right, and this is what the principal had, came and said well, he didn't say your daughter. How about he just said it in general, like who cares if it was Madison, this person, that person, he still said it.

Speaker 2: 11:27

Right, it's a threat. So now we can continue to go on and on and on about what happened and I know that this is pissing you off, because you see me, I'm over here getting hyped. I'm like what the fuck? But now let's talk about the trauma that this is causing.

Speaker 2: 11:43

Because, number one, you have a six, now 16 year old girl who has to leave the confines of school, basically, which should be a safe place for everybody. You go to school. It should be safe. Now we know that that's not true. Schools are horrible these days. That's why I feel like kids need cell phones and those kind of things, because schools are just ridiculous.

Speaker 2: 12:01

Yeah, but now you're basically giving permission for this person to say what the hell they want to say, to harass her the way you want to harass her. But now Maddie, who is already an emotional person, is now she's starting to feel like it's her. She's starting to feel like it's something. She did something wrong with her, because she's the one that has to leave the school, she's the one that has to be taken out of school and then it's coming down to. They don't even want to help get her educated now. They don't want to assist in educating her. They can't keep her safe, but they also don't want to assist educating her. So now I have to say, hey, is it safe for me to go to school? And if I don't go to school, am I going to get an education that's worth anything?

Speaker 3: 12:50

Right, and that's my biggest fear is. So. They told me that she could go to this place called Questar, but they wanted me to bring her basically to a doctor and diagnose her with something so they could pull it, so she could get this school in.

Speaker 2: 13:06

Like she's diagnosed with fear. This girl is scared to her life. Like that's her diagnosis. Like why does it have to be anything more than that? The person is threatening her life To kill her. Yeah, okay, and not her, but her boyfriend. Yeah, it's still fucking traumatizing for you to sit here and say that you won't kill anybody and we 15.

Speaker 3: 13:26

Exactly. Well, he, and that's what they said. Well, he's a 15 year old boy you can't arrest, or you can't get it or protection unless there was a rest. But we can arrest a 15 year old. So it keeps going and none of them just understand what I'm saying or I'm going through. Not only can I not help my daughter, I feel like I can't even keep her safe at. The only way I could keep her safe is pulling her out of school. So then here I'm worried about CPS being called for, taking her out of school because you know so many days they all Mac, like, start knocking on your door. So then I just don't know what to do.

Speaker 2: 14:08

I mean, it's really hard to you know. It's like do I risk sending my daughter back to school? Like people could say all they want to. All he was in Syria is all he likes there. All this his way of showing her that he likes her, and all this kind of stuff. Number one don't show me love that kind of way. Okay, psa, don't show people you love them by trying and telling them you're going to kill them Exactly.

Speaker 2: 14:32

That's no love Number two now look at all this trauma that has been caused for you, for your daughter, yeah. No, like she, her plan was to graduate high school and to go to college. So these are plans that she had. Like she wants to do something with her life. She wants to go into a forensic Right?

Speaker 3: 14:51

Yes, you know she plays volleyball. So there goes that, because she played through the school, now she can't do that. This year she was going to play softball. There goes that. And next year she was going to go to it's like a Boise where she could start basically doing college courses for what she was going to go to college for. And then there goes that.

Speaker 2: 15:15

So not only are you, they taking her you know what she wants to do when she gets older or like at a school but they're taking so much away from her Of course they're taking their high school experience, taking away proms and pep rallies and dances and just being around my friends and just having a normal childhood and just being able to be 16 years old and go to school. But now the thing that concerns me the most is that she has to go the rest of her life knowing that this happened to her.

Speaker 3: 15:48

Right.

Speaker 2: 15:49

Knowing like who am I going to be able to trust?

Speaker 3: 15:51

you know, because he was her friend at one time, but it's not even that.

Speaker 2: 15:56

Here it is that I reached out to authorities the authorities that are meant to protect me and they're telling me there's nothing they can do. Exactly, I go to the principal and whoever runs the school and they're saying there is nothing we can do. The whole time he's back there laughing, yeah, because she's not coming to school. So he got what she, what he wanted, exactly. You know, I'm saying it to basically ruin her life.

Speaker 3: 16:17

Yep.

Speaker 2: 16:19

Do you even know his parents were called?

Speaker 3: 16:21

His mom was called into the office the day the police were there, because he's 15. So the police had she had to be present, right, but I, like I personally don't even know what was if she cared Like she cared, she brushed it off. No, and I try to explain to the principal and stuff. I'm not a shitty parent where I don't care if my kids go to school or not. I care about their you know success and education in their life. I don't want them to struggle.

Speaker 2: 16:52

Right, right.

Speaker 3: 16:54

And basically it was. It was like it was nothing to them, Like, like if she was just another person, as all right, see you later. Like, no, no, like let's suspend him and she could still go to school.

Speaker 2: 17:10

Yeah, and I feel like you're over here like reading a psychopath. You're allowing this child, who's still in his mentally growing stage or whatever stage he's in, and he still has a lot to learn. But what is he learning right now? That he can make fake bombs, that he can tell people he's gonna kill them and that nothing's gonna happen Nothing's gonna happen because there's an excuse for it. And I hate the sadist right, but I'm like I wonder how different it would have been if he was a person of color.

Speaker 3: 17:39

No, I do that. I do believe that there is the school favoritisms Kids that parents had went to that school, parents that that are like PTA, oh, pta moms or that are more involved. You know, and I had told them that I do believe that I believe that they favoritism, like the principal was a teacher, so half of these moms as a small community, so half of these moms and dads had went to that school and were taught by their principal.

Speaker 3: 18:19

We moved into there thinking it was a smaller school, it was a country setting that was gonna be best for the kids and it was the worst mistake that I've made is moving them out.

Speaker 2: 18:30

Well, you know what you can't. One thing you can do is blame yourself, so you cannot allow this to cause you trauma. Number one you have a daughter to look out for and right now she's going through a lot mentally, emotionally. You know she feels like her life is screwed, so we need mom to keep it together.

Speaker 3: 18:48

Yes, that's what I do try.

Speaker 2: 18:49

Now not to say that you can't fall apart. It's not to say that you can't have your moment. But one thing you are not allowed to do is take blame for this or any kind of credit for it. You're not to blame for where you move. You're not to blame for wanting to allow your kids to have a better life. You know, all those things that you did are commendable. Everything that you did was to allow your kids to be more successful. They had a different life than you. You know, I feel like that's what most parents want. They want their kids to grow up differently than what they grew up. So don't allow this to make you question who you are as an individual and a parent, Because this has nothing to do with you. And if we don't learn nothing else with trauma is expensive and with these fucking freelance podcasts, is that when people do things, it has nothing to do with you. It is really about them, their dysfunction, their mental capacity, their non-mental capacity. So it's like and then there are just some crazy ass motherfuckers in this world.

Speaker 3: 19:47

I just don't even know if he realizes what he is causing, or even if he cares.

Speaker 2: 19:55

He has to realize it. And then you know, I say that really not knowing, I don't know, I can't speak for him, but I can say that you lucky, I don't know who you are. And see, I'm gonna say that. And watch, tomorrow There'll be some cops at my door now.

Speaker 3: 20:11

Yeah right, don't worry, it's only a Mr Hermione or a fence.

Speaker 2: 20:14

You know what I'm saying, but no, seriously, I will never do anything to hurt a child, so I'm just talking shit. But however I mean really, I mean think about it guys. This is like what the fuck Take. Be a parent to your kids. I mean teach them discipline and respect and just morals. Wow, yeah, such a simple morals Like teach your kids how to be good people Like our world is going to shit because phones are teaching people. Phones are teaching kids.

Speaker 3: 20:46

You know, and that's where it all started was simply he picked up a phone and he basically said it was because he was bored. So he picked up his phone, made a fake account, started messaging Madison and her boyfriend, and that's where it started.

Speaker 2: 21:02

And you know, and it's probably a reality that maybe he does have a crush on her. But it's like, what is it that you grew up seeing that allows you to think that this is the best way to show affection? Right, because you just didn't get it from yourself, right? You got it from your environment, from what you see, what you're allowed to see, what you're allowed to witness. You know, and I think it goes back to now once again, I'm not a parent and I'll never tell anybody how to be a parent Something I'm never going to do but I do have opinions and I'm entitled to those, and I feel like this generation is a YouTube, tiktok, facebook, instagram generation, where everything they learn comes from the internet.

Speaker 2: 21:41

You know, I think about like all those the videos where they always fighting and stuff, and then it's always about, you know, fights and like what is the? It's like a group that does it all the time. No, no, no, it's like a second account. I can't think of what it is. It'll come to me. But basically, all the videos they post is about like fights, okay, and violence, and like crazy shit, and it's like that's the stuff that they like give to the world. I mean like that's what they promote. And then it's like I mean, if you sit there and you read the comments and it makes you Rollers like this world is it's crazy.

Speaker 2: 22:23

You know? And then people wonder why I stay, keep my ass inside the house because I'm healing by myself.

Speaker 3: 22:29

Where do like Madison. You know she, after school she would always go home, she would go in a room, she would play on her phone oh, she would play video games, and now it's. That's basically what she's doing all day. So now, like today, when I talked to her to check on honor, I was like you know, did you do any of your schoolwork, anything like that? And I don't want her just to lay in a bed all day. So I don't want her to get in that habit of Pulling herself down, where she has to lay in bed all day and not have any friends and but you it's gonna do it, or I mean this right now is this is kind of like the.

Speaker 2: 23:10

I Feel like this is like the moment that kind of dictates who you are the rest of your life. You know, I feel like when you're in those teenage years 15, 16, 17, 18, you know it starts to like set the path for who you're gonna be the rest of your life. And I don't. I I've been through some horrible bullying in my life, so I'm only speaking for my Self, from my experience, but it's like, you know it, to me that attacks my self-worth, that attacks who I am Right, you know. So now I'm starting to think that I ain't shit, you know, because here it is, someone's talking about killing me. Damn, you think I'm so much of nothing that you just gonna kill me right and that can turn other ways around.

Speaker 3: 23:52

That can make her kill herself, that can make her go crazy and actually go hurt somebody not that I think she will, but what if she did?

Speaker 2: 24:01

What if she wanted to be entirely? What if she felt like you know what I need to get him before he gets me right? I wonder what the school is gonna say then. What's gonna say then, who's it Valley?

Speaker 3: 24:12

They under? Maybe they do, but they're just so worried about a good name or whatever they're worried about because they really Talked like the principal really didn't seem to say much. It was basically that like I think she's like an assistant principal and I basically told her like he's nothing, like he does nothing. Each time I come in here To remind you Madison had bullying with other people, right, what this year was going so good until this incident, just a couple episodes before, and these fucking feelings I had told you Madison was doing great, right, right, right. And then all of a sudden it was just like I like the end of the year people.

Speaker 2: 24:57

If you got a crush on people, like buying some flowers, you know saying Buy her an apple, but don't threaten to put an apple size a hole in her chest.

Speaker 3: 25:08

Because now she has to look each time we go to the store. She's gonna be worried about that. I mean, I can't speak for her as that, but that's what I'm worried about, right?

Speaker 2: 25:16

right, but you can speak more than anybody else because you're right and stuff, and and I just think you know, the best thing for you to do is to continue to support her, consing it, allow her to know that she's loved, that she's smart and that there's people out here that have her back, right? No, it's people out here that care about her.

Speaker 2: 25:32

Yeah you know and that, and don't allow him to be a reflection of what the rest of the world is. So, yeah, she's gonna go through some bumps in the road right now, you know, because now is a transition, now we're gonna have to find her new schooling, but in doing that, we're also gonna make this shit known, that the school doesn't want to do nothing. We're gonna reach out to the senator, we're gonna reach out to the governor and the mayor and just the people. And, like you know, do you know what this is going on In your school? Do you know that a person who made a fake bomb last year so basically you went through a bomb threat had kids locked up in class?

Speaker 3: 26:03

actually think I still have the email that they sent on the school they have, like this, parents square thing and they sent an email saying that there was an incident with a bomb threat and stuff like that.

Speaker 2: 26:19

I think I still have the and the thing is crazy because it's like you're allowing this to happen by not doing anything but not Disciplining, you know, but not suspending. Or you know, recommend that, you know To me therapists or like go see management, therapy, counseling, there's like so many things that you can do to help this young man, but now, instead of helping him, you you're allowed him to think that everything he's doing is okay and that people will support what he's doing by getting rid of the problem. And that's basically what they did. Yeah, now that Madison is not in school, they got rid of the problem for him. Yeah, you know, but there's gonna be a problem.

Speaker 3: 27:01

You know, but there's gonna be a next. There was an incident of a couple. I think it was like two years ago. I'm a girl, she kept a tag tag, nice in Madison, and I went into the school and she was in a higher grade and I kept saying one day she's gonna say this or do this to the wrong person and she's gonna get her ass walked. And I said and I'm gonna say I told yourself, not even two weeks later she gets in a fist fight in the school bathroom and she got her ass walked. All right, and that's what I told them about that. I told them about this time. When he comes into the school and he shoots up the school, my daughter's not gonna be there. But you have an issue on your hands, right? There is so many kids in that school that I know are getting bullied by him or threatened by him, you know, and they're just not doing anything and that's just for real.

Speaker 2: 28:05

I mean, it's horrible and it's sad and our message in this episode is just I don't know. Checking on your kids, yeah, in on your kids. You do not know what your children are going through. Maybe you do know, but it's more than just allowing it to be like. We need to start having conversations at home about what's right and wrong. Yeah, what's right and wrong and society was right and wrong in this world Things you know. It's funny because, like I know this, this person and she allows her kids to curse and stuff like that, but not in school. You know, I'm saying like you want to come home and drop F bomb, cool, but don't do that. Shit is cool and it's like sometimes it takes teaching that you know there's, there's necessary moments. I guess I've lost what I'm trying to say, but I hope you're getting this Like. Some things are necessary sometimes.

Speaker 3: 28:56

Right. Teach your children how to be respectful Right, or teach them how to be a good human being. Right, exactly.

Speaker 2: 29:04

Because when they're not, other people are the consequence yes, madison is his consequence of being an asshole he an asshole, and Madison is a consequence Yep. So now we have to spend and I say wait, because you're not alone in this journey. You know, we're all behind you and we got your back, but now we need to get together, rally together and figure out what we're gonna do. Right, but one thing we need to do is protect Madison and make sure that her mental health is strong, that she knows what she's worth and that she doesn't take this as a sign that there's something wrong with her or that she's not meant to be here, or that this is gonna be the rest of her life. Right, you know, we have to make sure she understands that there's greatness out there and if she works hard enough, she can have it. Yep, you know, yep. So I'll message to you guys make sure you know what the fuck your kids are doing.

Speaker 2: 29:58

Okay, like, don't be out here. Being an absentee parent, Like, life is hard, it is rough, shit happens. But if you have kids, they are your responsibility. You decided to bring them into the world, even if it wasn't a choice. They're here. Do the right thing. Parent your kids, don't let them just be wilding out, you know and just be doing some shit Like how would you feel?

Speaker 3: 30:20

How would you feel if it was your child, Right?

Speaker 2: 30:23

Now, what if, you know, a family member decided to protect Madison and go and take his life now, Right Now? What if that happened? Now, they would have been mad at you, but the school didn't do nothing about it. I would have been the bad person. Now, once again, we're not condoning any of this, but these are all possibilities, and these are all possibilities that could have happened when you don't do anything.

Speaker 3: 30:45

Right.

Speaker 2: 30:45

When you don't do things to protect our young, when you don't teach people right from wrong. I mean, I'm in my 40s, I'm still learning right from wrong, but I'm open to learning and I think you should be too, yes. So, with that said, we're gonna check in Chris. We're gonna make sure that we let you guys know what's going on. Madison is okay. She is at home. I mean, she's probably going through a state of depression right now, but you know, chris is her mom, so she's gonna get out of it. If nothing else, there's so much love in your household and I know she feels that and just continue to love on her, continue to show her her worth. Yes, and we're gonna figure this out. We're gonna let you know how it works out.

Speaker 2: 31:26

Thank you for listening. We'll see you guys next week. Remember, remember, remember. Remember To count the cost and make the change, because this world ain't gonna do it by itself. Yes, we have to be the ones that want to be better, to want to have a better life. So until next week. I am Micah, got my girl Crystal here with me, no, so, and I hope we thank you guys for listening and y'all pray for Crystal, and you know what we might ask you later for some of your support. Maybe start some petitions out there, and we hope you guys are willing, because we're gonna get a better solution to this than what we got. Yes, so until next week. Thank you guys for watching or listening because you can't see us. Peace, love and blessings. Enjoy the rest of your week. Bye.

Speaker 1: 32:15

And that brings us to the end of yet another insightful episode of Trauma is Expensive. I'm signing off on behalf of your host, micah Bravery, reminding all you brave souls to continue counting the cost and making the change. Don't forget to visit wwwtraumasexpensivecom, a dynamic space for understanding, healing and transformation, where we fuel the journey to turn pain into progress. Until we meet again, stay resilient, stay empowered and remember the mantra count the cost and make the change. Thank you for being part of the conversation. We bid you farewell. Until next time.